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on Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:01 pm
For nearly forty years Sutton hosted a major poison gas works off Reginald Road, where the Abbotsfield Road industrial estate is now. Between the wars it became the UK's main centre for research, development and production of chemical warfare agents. Although primarily a research facility, for the first six months of WWII the Sutton Oak plant was the sole manufacturer of mustard gas in the whole country. The Sutton Oak Chemical Defence Research Establishment also pioneered research into nerve agents, including the deadly sarin. The warfare products which it developed were never employed in any conflict, although many staff members suffered considerably through exposure to toxic chemicals.

In a front page article in the St Helens Star of 18th April 1985, the newspaper revealed that they'd been 'inundated' with evidence about the works both from individuals who'd worked there and their relatives. 'A stunning high proportion', the paper commented 'have either died or still suffer from lung disease or skin afflictions'. This was in response to a BBC Timewatch programme broadcast on the 3rd of the month in which the Ministry of Defence had denied the existence of the Sutton Oak plant.

Cartoon inspired by an evacuation of the Sutton Oak poison gas factory
Cartoon c.1917 by works' chemist inspired by an evacuation
As the site spanned 20 acres and employed hundreds of people, such denials were not going to impress Suttoners. Locals had referred to the plant as the Poison Gas Works or, more commonly, the Magnum, which was the name of a former occupier.

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on Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:54 pm
There is an estate in Hindley behind the swimming baths that had asbestos roofing. The council removed it all, yet a massive amount fell to cancer, they didn't put the two together. You can't contaminate and expect no reprisals. 'Roburite' housing estate will see an increase of a certain type of illness in the not too distant.

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on Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:05 pm
I remember those houses and the prefabs on Lancaster Rd too.
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on Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:15 pm
Thems the ones!

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on Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:47 pm
I remember working in an aircraft making factory in the 70's, Bellway at Westhoughton. there was an acid tank which was used to treat the aluminium before it would bend , We was told never to go in there because it was a special type of acid that was used to create mustard gas,

So we kept well clear, What a Face
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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:49 am
Be a housing estate there now.

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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:41 am
In 2017 the council put new bathrooms in where I live, and prior to that the council sent in a specialist firm from Manchester to examine the properties for asbestos, and on the day
A couple of blokes knocked on me door, and they were wearing those white forensic type overalls and they had gas masks, and before they went into the bathroom they put their gas masks,on, which tickled me no end, they had electronic equipment and they took samples, and they told me that there was asbestos in the place, but it was at an acceptable limit, so Mac when they demolish these properties there I'll probably be a ploom of asbestos over Worsley Mesnes
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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:40 am
No doubting it, anything built before the 80'd is riddled

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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:55 am
There use to be garages on Clarington Grove years ago and when they became empty people took the asbestos roofs off to use in their gardens as edgings.
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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:47 am
Oh dear. The Romans used to eat the stuff.

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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:04 am
Asbestos wasn't banned until 2000.

Sir Bob, there is no acceptable level.
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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:34 am
"There is a possibility of finding asbestos in homes that were built or refurbished before the year 2000. The use of asbestos in the UK started to decline in the 1980’s due to bans that were imposed by the government. These bans were based on evidence that exposure to asbestos could cause fatal illnesses such as mesothelioma, asbestosis and lung cancer.

Asbestos ban
Various types of asbestos and asbestos-containing materials were banned at different times in the UK:

The use of blue asbestos (crocidolite) stopped almost completely in the early part of the 1970’s
The use of asbestos sprayed coatings gradually decreased from 1970 but was subject to a legal ban in 1985
The use of asbestos insulation board (AIB) and asbestos pipe insulation decreased sharply in 1980 and stopped completely in 1985
The use of asbestos paints and varnishes stopped in 1988
The use of asbestos-containing decorative coatings such as Artex was legally banned in 1992
The use of asbestos cement was prohibited in 1999
The above dates are only used as a guideline"
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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:57 am
Now companies are making serious money removing and disposing of it. It did serve though,many people saved money on heating because of matures wonder. Wasn't the snow scene in the wizard of Oz flakes of the stuff?

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on Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:23 pm
@Kryten wrote:
Sir Bob, there is no acceptable level.

What they would've meant was "acceptable condition".
Asbestos is only harmful when it's cut, sanded, broken, or when it's deteriorated and dry.

Anybody who has an 'Artex'ed ceiling, done before the early 2000's, it will have Asbestos in it!
It's safe enough sat there, on the ceiling, coated with emulsion. But it gets harmful when you try to sand it down flat before skimming over and painting it.

When I worked at Parkside Colliery, all the gantries over the many coal belts on the surface
were roofed with Asbestos. They had them all checked and much of it had to be removed as it was deteriorated and giving off dust. A lot of the newer stuff was left in place as it was "in good condition".

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